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> <channel><title>Comments on: How can we stop young talent from leaving Hawkes Bay?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/</link> <description>Fresh ideas from Hawke&#039;s Bay</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:30:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: Paul Dutch</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9837</link> <dc:creator>Paul Dutch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:42:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9837</guid> <description><![CDATA[Well..
Reading the comments on the Post here I decided that just writing about it wouldn&#039;t cut the mustard. I would have to come up with a solution that at least changes the small world around myself a little bit.
Read more here: http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/uncategorized/crowd-funding-campaign-for-the-makeplace/]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well..<br
/> Reading the comments on the Post here I decided that just writing about it wouldn&#8217;t cut the mustard. I would have to come up with a solution that at least changes the small world around myself a little bit.</p><p>Read more here: <a
href="http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/uncategorized/crowd-funding-campaign-for-the-makeplace/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/uncategorized/crowd-funding-campaign-for-the-makeplace/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hayley Pugh</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9804</link> <dc:creator>Hayley Pugh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:09:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9804</guid> <description><![CDATA[Lyn I&#039;ll post the Pecha Kucha details on our FB page (www.facebook.com/HerHB) and Twitter like I did for the last ones.  Good luck with your presentation!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyn I&#8217;ll post the Pecha Kucha details on our FB page (www.facebook.com/HerHB) and Twitter like I did for the last ones.  Good luck with your presentation!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Dutch</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9803</link> <dc:creator>Paul Dutch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:20:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9803</guid> <description><![CDATA[Great stuff Lyn!
Entry I think is only $5! (https://www.facebook.com/pechakuchahb)
I will be there to hear your talk!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff Lyn!<br
/> Entry I think is only $5! (<a
href="https://www.facebook.com/pechakuchahb" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/pechakuchahb</a>)<br
/> I will be there to hear your talk!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lyn Cheyne (Bevin)</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9800</link> <dc:creator>Lyn Cheyne (Bevin)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:58:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9800</guid> <description><![CDATA[Hey I&#039;m one of the presenters at Pecha Kucha tomorrow night at The Cabana in Napier. I&#039;m talking about attending Startup weekends. Come and support me if you can! (I haven&#039;t done anything like this for ever!) 5:30pm onwards, $10 entry and I won&#039;t be the only one speaking.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I&#8217;m one of the presenters at Pecha Kucha tomorrow night at The Cabana in Napier. I&#8217;m talking about attending Startup weekends. Come and support me if you can! (I haven&#8217;t done anything like this for ever!) 5:30pm onwards, $10 entry and I won&#8217;t be the only one speaking.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Dutch</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9774</link> <dc:creator>Paul Dutch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:26:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9774</guid> <description><![CDATA[@Gill
Indeed.
Sell the Hawkes Bay more as an opportunity to be challenged and grow..
It is a bit of a chicken and the egg story though.. We can sell that picture, but can we deliver on it?
Business Hawkes Bay are doing their fair bit though: www.businesshawkesbay.co.nz]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gill<br
/> Indeed.<br
/> Sell the Hawkes Bay more as an opportunity to be challenged and grow..<br
/> It is a bit of a chicken and the egg story though.. We can sell that picture, but can we deliver on it?</p><p>Business Hawkes Bay are doing their fair bit though: <a
href="http://www.businesshawkesbay.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.businesshawkesbay.co.nz</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Dutch</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9772</link> <dc:creator>Paul Dutch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:16:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9772</guid> <description><![CDATA[@Wayne.
Thanks for that insight!
One could consider Hawkes Bay&#039;s &quot;sibling&quot; so that insight of the differences between there and here is invaluable.
Lack of performance might indeed be one of those factors. When I think of performance though I can&#039;t help but to think &quot;Profit&quot; and &quot;Making money&quot;. Whereas you seem to indicate &quot;making a difference&quot; as performance indicator which I think is the more valuable one, but very hard to measure.
Difficult subject as it comes with the notion that businesses are community held properties. But they are privately held entities that someone has worked hard for to build up and there is no reason why they are not allowed to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
So I think the only solution is to go out and venture on our own if things are getting to slow for us.
The subject of marketing is a bit of a pickle as it has been tried many times over. And as you say, some groups are trying to achieve the proper marketing tactic as we speak.
Not sure if we&#039;d ever come to full agreement on this, to a common goal. Perhaps we should let evolution struggle it out? May the best marketing tactic survive? Or perhaps multiple tactics fit the bill as there are many groups with different motives and beliefs. Maybe there is enough room to do that and would speed things up?
The fibre project that you&#039;re working on will aid in serving as a communication backbone throughout the Hawkes Bay and will hopefully give us an advantage over other regions. That&#039;s an excellent step in the right direction.
We do hope that indeed our children will return to the Bay and be challenged and find their passion. That would be a good ideal to work towards.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wayne.<br
/> Thanks for that insight!<br
/> One could consider Hawkes Bay&#8217;s &#8220;sibling&#8221; so that insight of the differences between there and here is invaluable.</p><p>Lack of performance might indeed be one of those factors. When I think of performance though I can&#8217;t help but to think &#8220;Profit&#8221; and &#8220;Making money&#8221;. Whereas you seem to indicate &#8220;making a difference&#8221; as performance indicator which I think is the more valuable one, but very hard to measure.<br
/> Difficult subject as it comes with the notion that businesses are community held properties. But they are privately held entities that someone has worked hard for to build up and there is no reason why they are not allowed to enjoy the fruits of their labour.<br
/> So I think the only solution is to go out and venture on our own if things are getting to slow for us.</p><p>The subject of marketing is a bit of a pickle as it has been tried many times over. And as you say, some groups are trying to achieve the proper marketing tactic as we speak.<br
/> Not sure if we&#8217;d ever come to full agreement on this, to a common goal. Perhaps we should let evolution struggle it out? May the best marketing tactic survive? Or perhaps multiple tactics fit the bill as there are many groups with different motives and beliefs. Maybe there is enough room to do that and would speed things up?</p><p>The fibre project that you&#8217;re working on will aid in serving as a communication backbone throughout the Hawkes Bay and will hopefully give us an advantage over other regions. That&#8217;s an excellent step in the right direction.</p><p>We do hope that indeed our children will return to the Bay and be challenged and find their passion. That would be a good ideal to work towards.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gill</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9771</link> <dc:creator>Gill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:08:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9771</guid> <description><![CDATA[Wayne - spot on ! We are focussing on attracting younger people in but failing to transition more senior people out of roles. We don&#039;t want to continue the Bay to be known as &#039;dead man&#039;s shoes&#039; , which  I must admit it felt like when I arrived 21 years ago. Senior workers have a lot to offer back to the business community and I agree, need to move aside for some fresh ideas and energy.  Obviously not talking about all senior workers here before anyone gets upset :-)  On the subject of marketing - how many adverts to do you see which sell the move to HB as a lifestyle choice etc... We are a vibrant economic area with heaps of great businesses so need to sell it as a great career choice with opportunities to learn different facets of business that people wouldn&#039;t get in a big city.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne &#8211; spot on ! We are focussing on attracting younger people in but failing to transition more senior people out of roles. We don&#8217;t want to continue the Bay to be known as &#8216;dead man&#8217;s shoes&#8217; , which  I must admit it felt like when I arrived 21 years ago. Senior workers have a lot to offer back to the business community and I agree, need to move aside for some fresh ideas and energy.  Obviously not talking about all senior workers here before anyone gets upset <img
src='http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> On the subject of marketing &#8211; how many adverts to do you see which sell the move to HB as a lifestyle choice etc&#8230; We are a vibrant economic area with heaps of great businesses so need to sell it as a great career choice with opportunities to learn different facets of business that people wouldn&#8217;t get in a big city.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wayne Baird</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9770</link> <dc:creator>Wayne Baird</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:39:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9770</guid> <description><![CDATA[A very interesting read so far.
I can comment from an industrial perspective after a stint with Enzafoods a few years ago. What I found interesting there was the difference in the type and I dare say the attitude of the workforce in our Nelson factories compared to Hawkes Bay. Nelson seemed to attract a very different demographic in that some highly qualified people were prepared to work for relatively low wages on a seasonal basis to support the lifestyle they wanted . However in Hawkes Bay it always seemed a struggle to fill positions. I never quite worked out why there was this difference but I thought I would share that observation.
I do have the privilege of being able to get a high level view of business in Hawkes Bay in my current role and in my opinion there are a number of factors which make it difficult to attract young talent back to HB.
The main one I believe is a lack of performance management by many businesses. Too many people in reasonably senior roles have become too accustomed to the lifestyle they enjoy in the bay and have perhaps forgotten that they had/have an opportunity to make a difference here. I see many people that have lost the drive and passion they once had and in my opinion should move on and let one of our best and brightest young people have a crack at it.
This will only happen if someone (maybe our HR profession should focus on coaching business leaders around this) points out some of the issues to these individuals and gets them to shape up or move on.
I am not talking about the majority here, just some , and they probably don&#039;t even realise it.
Another area I think we could work on is marketing ourselves. Firstly that needs to come as an internal belief that HB could and should be a vibrant economic area. Somehow we need to take a good look at ourselves and focus on the positives. I&#039;m sure there are many smarter people than me trying to achieve this, but it just seems that there are too many groups and maybe they need to get their heads together and work on a common goal. Perhaps that is too much to wish for!!!
My kids are now at the start of their Uni days. My dreams for them include them having successful carrers wherever they choose to go. I hope that if their choice is to be here in HB that the opportunities are available for them to be able to make that choice. That is why this whole subject does mean a lot to me and I would think many of the 40+ older folk that live and enjoy being in one of the best places on the planet.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting read so far.</p><p>I can comment from an industrial perspective after a stint with Enzafoods a few years ago. What I found interesting there was the difference in the type and I dare say the attitude of the workforce in our Nelson factories compared to Hawkes Bay. Nelson seemed to attract a very different demographic in that some highly qualified people were prepared to work for relatively low wages on a seasonal basis to support the lifestyle they wanted . However in Hawkes Bay it always seemed a struggle to fill positions. I never quite worked out why there was this difference but I thought I would share that observation.</p><p>I do have the privilege of being able to get a high level view of business in Hawkes Bay in my current role and in my opinion there are a number of factors which make it difficult to attract young talent back to HB.</p><p>The main one I believe is a lack of performance management by many businesses. Too many people in reasonably senior roles have become too accustomed to the lifestyle they enjoy in the bay and have perhaps forgotten that they had/have an opportunity to make a difference here. I see many people that have lost the drive and passion they once had and in my opinion should move on and let one of our best and brightest young people have a crack at it.</p><p>This will only happen if someone (maybe our HR profession should focus on coaching business leaders around this) points out some of the issues to these individuals and gets them to shape up or move on.</p><p>I am not talking about the majority here, just some , and they probably don&#8217;t even realise it.</p><p>Another area I think we could work on is marketing ourselves. Firstly that needs to come as an internal belief that HB could and should be a vibrant economic area. Somehow we need to take a good look at ourselves and focus on the positives. I&#8217;m sure there are many smarter people than me trying to achieve this, but it just seems that there are too many groups and maybe they need to get their heads together and work on a common goal. Perhaps that is too much to wish for!!!</p><p>My kids are now at the start of their Uni days. My dreams for them include them having successful carrers wherever they choose to go. I hope that if their choice is to be here in HB that the opportunities are available for them to be able to make that choice. That is why this whole subject does mean a lot to me and I would think many of the 40+ older folk that live and enjoy being in one of the best places on the planet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Dutch</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9768</link> <dc:creator>Paul Dutch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:56:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9768</guid> <description><![CDATA[@Gill
Thanks for the comments Gill..
And welcome back!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gill<br
/> Thanks for the comments Gill..<br
/> And welcome back!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gill</title><link>http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/lifestyle/how-can-we-stop-young-talent-from-leaving-hawkes-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-9767</link> <dc:creator>Gill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:46:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/?p=7768#comment-9767</guid> <description><![CDATA[Hi, Some really good discussion and glad to hear your comments  George W and Paul D. There are some great initiatives going on in the Bay and a ground swell of collaboration to &#039;make things&#039; better. It is great that &#039;young&#039;people leave and agree with George that the experience they bring back is invaluable. Even though not qualifying as &#039;young&#039; I left the Bay for 6 years and returned 18 months ago and was excited to see and hear about all the fantastic businesses out there. We need to foster and encourage that excitement, that I believe we all feel on our return, and make sure it isn&#039;t eaten away by the &#039;nay sayers&#039;. Love the idea that&#039;s floating around of getting some hubs going and encouraging young people to come to (or stay in) the Bay to work on problems and solutions - a common theme at some software conferences - collaboration at its best :-)]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Some really good discussion and glad to hear your comments  George W and Paul D. There are some great initiatives going on in the Bay and a ground swell of collaboration to &#8216;make things&#8217; better. It is great that &#8216;young&#8217;people leave and agree with George that the experience they bring back is invaluable. Even though not qualifying as &#8216;young&#8217; I left the Bay for 6 years and returned 18 months ago and was excited to see and hear about all the fantastic businesses out there. We need to foster and encourage that excitement, that I believe we all feel on our return, and make sure it isn&#8217;t eaten away by the &#8216;nay sayers&#8217;. Love the idea that&#8217;s floating around of getting some hubs going and encouraging young people to come to (or stay in) the Bay to work on problems and solutions &#8211; a common theme at some software conferences &#8211; collaboration at its best <img
src='http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>